I'm interested in community, consensus and how to treat controversial issues. I'm getting tired of WikiPedia - it just doesn't seem to have the collective will to get the job done. Or maybe I should campaign for arbcom and start kicking some serious butt?
I was approached on Monday, March 14th, 2005 about creating a fork to Wikipedia - for the purposes of publishing a print edition of it by 2008.
Indeed, we take everything personally. ;) -- AlexSchroeder
Sure, you'd say that, you jerk. *sniff* -- SunirShah
Humor? Please define unknown jargon words. -- HelmutLeitner
What I came here for is to make sense of various community problems facing Wikipedia:
Wikipedia has a lot of problems that relate to the fact that not many participants there look beyond their borders. Compare this with Americans. ;) Consequently, they repeat a lot of discussions that we have already had five years ago, internalized, and then moved on to better answers. Compare medicare. However, many problems can be expensive to fix if they continue down their garden path. For instance, evaporation of trust after Wiki:UnethicalEditing will be difficult to overcome. Also, annoying away strong long time contributors is very expensive. Consider MetaWikiPedia:inclusionism which is a problem we are also discussing here this month on MeatballWiki on RadicalInclusiveness. I already know the result of deletionism, eventualism, and inclusionism, and that is WikiWiki, because I was central to those flame wars in April 2000. In fact, they inspired me to leave to start MeatballWiki.
At some point perhaps my experience will wiki growth will break down as I stopped paying attention to WikiWiki a couple years ago. Then again, I also hope that we've learnt enough to help wikis avoid those kinds of situations entirely, so then we'll be breaking new ground. -- SunirShah
I don't know. There is no silver bullet, no recipe to just follow for certain success. There are always - at least - two sides of the coin and you can only bet on one in each single situation. But going through hundreds and thousands of communications - if you always try your best for the community and to understand your partners - it will become more fun and you'll get a higher success rate all the time. Patience surely pays. If there is a personal recipe I'd like to give away, then it is: never, never, never, Never use strong words. -- HelmutLeitner
Indeed, I agree. Never use strong words because other users are likely to take offense. Strong words can touch off a FlameWar. Be smooth and soothing instead. Make sense, but don't bash people over the head with it. Lead them to drink -- don't splash water up their noses. --EdPoor
Hi Ed! My answer to How can people who disagree on facts and values COMBINE to write a stable article on a controversial subject? would be to leave the facts and values to a few external authorities, and seek to develop stable criticisms of the facts and values held by those authorities. It is sort of a Wiki:DivideAndConquer in idea space. --DavidForrest (touting CollaborativeCriticism)
Ce n'est pas ton usage de la langue anglaise qui m'a causé de la peine Ed, c'est ma vie et mes angoisses. Je ne connais pas l'origine du problème, mais je sais que mes hormones sont sens dessus dessous et que le moindre petit commentaire me perturbe :-(
Amitiés brother accross the sea :-)