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A Domain Sharing Offer
FridemarPache: Perhaps anyone here knows the often used phrase "my 2 pence" as an author's appendix in forums, wikis and mailing-lists contributions. Why not creating/finding a MicroPayment solution with a pay-button, that exactly invites the readers to spend 2 cents to the author.
This feature can be seen as method for
- real voting to generate real money in
- a playful and
- useful way.
- a method to
- transform authors time into money
- create real money for philanthropic actions (1 penny to the helped, one penny to the helper)
- to create focus in communities for the
- authors
- the involved welfare organizations
- building a PennyBank? based on
These ideas were inspired by the conversation with AaronPoeze and NathanielThurston on IndividualTimeAsCurrency, so I bought MyTwoPence.org for easy reference (in even the oldest wikis, who understand only CamelCase references) and 2pen.org as a shortcut for a button.
What about sharing the costs and gains of the domains in equal parts, between Nathaniel, Aaron, Fridemar and any friendly and constructive realname wikizen here, who has earned name recognition with their contributions here?
Call for collaboration
FridemarPache: What we do here is practised ExtremeOpenBusiness in the initial state. (Every induction starts with n=1 or even n=0 :-) I have prepared a page [1] and suggest to Nathaniel and Aaron to do the same. Nathaniel: What about adding a 2pen button to your wiki to test it with virtual play money, where every WikiHomePage has a link to the resp. OpenLedger? of its RealNameWikizen?.
NathanielThurston: my first take is that I don't like it, as it sends the wrong messages.
- If the reader is a lurker or chance visitor, I think we'd be better served by simple 'donate' button (in some fixed location on every page); we could record the viewing history of the reader that led to the donation, and the community could decide how to split the profits, if the total were more than enough to cover hosting expenses.
- Between community members, I think we'd be better served with a MyTwoMinutes? button.
- I like the idea to a point.
- The idea of tying money to a trust network would make it more honest and valuable.
- I do not think 2 pence (why not 2 cents? or two er what were they Pfennig) should be fixed donors can start at 2 pence and offer more if they so desire.
- I also like the idea of 2 minutes if we decide to go down the time currency path. Funny now I pay attention to the words currency means time in the now doesn't it. Also I have discussed with Fridemar and others before many business services/products are really about saving time.
- I think an OpenLedger? on this wiki is impractical. Sooner more than later a troll will play with it.
- A donor should be able to easily decide where to put their money. I favour the donor having the power to decide where more than the community. If the recipient wishes to change the flow well then that is now their money and they are a new donor.
- I am wondering what messages you refer to Nathaniel. It may be these are showstoppers.
FridemarPache: Thank you for entering the conversation. There is so much complexity, hidden in your arguments, that it will take me some time to ponder about it. I think it would be helpful, if more peers joined the conversation. :-)
NathanielThurston: Aaron, I'll have to think about the 'what messages' question -- with these sorts of things, I'm generally not conscious of all of the reasons until later. But one thing I don't like is that it perverts the attention economy, focusing on attention-grabbing stuff at the expense of subtle sublime beauty, which may not be appreciated until long after the fact. Another problem I had was with the low amount -- our time (and that of our readers) is valuable, and it seems to me that two pence doesn't even begin to cover the cost of the time spent in parsing and coming to a first understanding of what was written. This reminded me of an unrelated topic: CommunityAsMind, which I'll start now.
FridemarPache: Aaron, Nathaniel the 2pen is only one tiny part of a much bigger opportunity for all involved parties. Can you spot the allusion of "2pen" to "open". And surely, there is an already established pen-club. It would need a book to explain it. But we have time to expand the idea behind it in a wiki way :-)
AaronPoeze: Ahh Fridemar you play with words more than anyone I know which is how you come up with such interesting combinations. I follow what you mean on 2pen. 3pen. 4pen. (n)pen, Your pen-club relates to those old pen pal writing clubs? Nathaniel I agree that 2 pence is not much, possibly not even enough to justify the donation cost. To me it's symbolic and a *minimum*
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