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This page is for discussing the existing and future tours of the TourBus.
Old discussions and decisions are kept in the BusRouteDiscussionArchive.
The routes of the TourBus are shown at the TourBusMap.
If you want your wiki to become part of the TourBus, put your data at WikisInNeedForBusConnections.
Frequently Asked Question
Some wikis don't really have an active "manager" or point-of-contact. In such cases, would it be acceptable to just go ahead and add a TourBusStop without seeking permission?
- IMHO no. It is not probable that some community may not like a bus stop, but it might happen. We should respect this. They also might have their own vision about their position in the tour system. This should be discussed before putting them on a certain tour. -- hl
- IMHO before setting up a TBS in a wiki the host or some active member of the wiki should be asked whether they want to be on the tour. A representative should be invited to join the BusManagement, the TourDiscussion? and they should write their own TBS page (if at all possible). -- hl
- IMHO I think it would be ok to add a TourBusStop to wiki's that we have not gotten permission. IF the TourBusStop is a pointer to WikiCentral? currently MeatBall:TourBusStop. I agree that we should seek permission about being put on an actual tour and discussion about location with in a tour. To not be able to put a pointer to the WikiCentral? tour start seems to me un-Wiki. -- MarkDilley see TourBusStopTemplate
- It will become a lot easier, when more tours are up and new wikis can be added just one by one. But even then we should be careful to find the best place and the best connections for them. IMHO nobody should just link himself in on his own.
Suggestions for existing tours
- Bus Nr. 01: GRAND-WIKI-COMMUNITY-TOUR (large and old wiki communities, connection wikis for tours)
- Bus Nr. 02: WIKI-DEVELOPERS-TOUR (wikis of developers open for support and discussion of development aspects)
- Bus Nr. 03: GERMAN-COMMUNITY-TOUR (German wiki communities)
- Suggested Bus Nr. 04: HUMANITARIAN WIKI TOUR (People 4 People)
- Bus Nr. 05: TOURISM-TRAVEL-COMMUNITY-TOUR
- Bus Nr. 06: ECLECTIC-WIKI-TOUR
- potential participants: all wikis (idea is to move wikis from this, when we find appropriate bus lines for them.)
- Suggested Bus Nr. 07: CREATIVE WIKI TOUR (Artists, ...)
- Bus Nr. 12: MULTILINGUAL-WIKI-TOUR (non-English wikis all over the world, only 1-2 per language)
- Bus Nr. 23: SWEDISH-WIKI-COMMUNITY-TOUR (Swedish)
- potential participants : Wikipedia SV (large but not a community) : Den direktdemokratiska Wikin, [2] : Or any swedish wiki with people oriented content.
As I see in TourBusMap, all tours are circular. I'd prefer some tours having starting and ending point. So "you have to change". (sorry for probably misplaced comment) --WolfPeuker
Help wanted!
Susning.nu requires since spring 2004 that people must login in order to change the wikipages on susning.nu but Susning.nu does not allow any new accounts right now. Is there anyone with access to edit the susning.nu pages that can correct the http://susning.nu/TourBusStop page.
The destination of the SWEDISH-WIKI-COMMUNITY-TOUR link to hörnan is wrong since Hörnan Wiki have been taken down. The link should now point to [ArkivetWiki:TourBusStop].
- Have you tried to e-mail LarsAronsson (mailto:lars@aronsson.se) for help? -- HelmutLeitner
- Bus Nr. 42: SOFTWARE-DEVELOPER-TOUR (English software developers wikis)
- Thanks, I temporarily put a Detour around the problem. Not nice looking, but it does the job.
- Bus Nr. 66: INTERNATIONAL-WIKI-TOUR (English wikis all over the world, no restriction to communities, no wikis from the developers tour)
- BUS Nr. 101: MOINMOIN-WIKI-TOUR (wikis using the MoinMoin wiki engine)
- Bus Nr. 102: USEMOD-WIKI-TOUR - - (wikis using the UseMod wiki engine)
- Bus Nr. 103 PROWIKI-TOUR (wikis using the ProWiki engine, German / English)
Tour extensions
Suggestion
- start: May 30, 2004 10:30 CET
- end: Jun 1, 2004 10:30 CET (increase if needed)
I suggest to add GründerWiki to the end of the GERMAN-COMMUNITY-TOUR.
Please add your suggestions. I'll act according to the majority as soon as possible after "end time". -- HelmutLeitner
Jun 4, 2004 21:45 CET. Done. -- HelmutLeitner
Suggestion
- start: May 30, 2004 10:30 CET
- end: Jun 1, 2004 10:30 CET (increase if needed)
I suggest to add GründerWiki to after BücherWiki in the PROWIKI-TOUR.
Please add your suggestions. I'll act according to the majority as soon as possible after "end time". -- HelmutLeitner
Jun 4, 2004 21:45 CET. Done. -- HelmutLeitner
Planned tours
Symbols: (I) invited, (C) under construction, (+) TBS-page exists. Wikis that want to be linked, please consult WikisInNeedForBusConnections.
- ACADEMIC-WIKI-TOUR - wikis with an academic bent (or scientific wiki tour?)
- Bus Nr. 802: WIRELESS-COMMUNITY-TOUR
- Bus Nr. 20: PHYSICAL-COMMUNITY-TOUR
- planned route: [YpsilantiEyeball:TourBusStop] (+) => ..... => Ypsilanti
- potential participants: Northern Vibes (Wisconsin) [3] (I); in New York State - Big Splat [4] (I): MadisonAreaPeaceCoalition? [5] (I), LasVegasWiki? (Las Vegas) [1]
- Unfortunately Northern Vibes seems to be dead as of 2004-05-19.
- Bus Nr. 11: WIKIS-FOR-FOUNDERS-TOUR
- Bus Nr. 999: BIGGEST-WIKI-TOUR (all languages)
- Bus Nr. 43: OPEN-CONTENT-TOUR
- Bus Nr. 69: WIKILOG-TOUR (integrated wikis & weblogs)
- Possible stops: WebSeitzWiki (+), AbbeNormal(C), PotLatch (+), DecafBad?, [Karmasaya] ([weblog]), [Mockerybird], [Technomanifestos], [langreiter.com], [Steven Frank]...
- lacking objections, i will start inviting and making pages. --JohnAbbe
- I wonder whether the WikiLog format matters, or whether any OneManWiki warrants inclusion. --BillSeitz
- Bus Nr. 80: WIKIPEDIA-TOUR
- Bus Nr. 14: HUMANITIES-TOUR
- Bus Nr. 35: MUSIC-WIKI-TOUR
- Bus Nr. 87: ESPERANTO-COMMUNITY-TOUR (Esperanto wiki communities)
- planned route: UnuMondo? (+) => Wikipedia EO (+) => JEFO wiki (+) => E@I wiki (+) => TEJO wiki (+) => USEJ wiki
- (WIKI-ENGINE-TOURS) (see MOINMOIN-WIKI-TOUR as an example)
- These tours link together sites using the same wiki system
- I propose to use numbers from 101-199 -- jh
- Bus Nr. 105 TWIKI-TOUR
- planned route:
- potential participants: SleeplessNight? (+)
- Bus Nr. 106 SWIKI-TOUR
- planned route:
- potential participants:
- Bus Nr. 108 MEDIAWIKI-TOUR
- Bus Nr. 199 WIKI-ENGINE-TOUR
- GHOST-TOWN-TOUR
- potential participants: NuPedia Chalkboard, Basic English WikiPedia ...
- wikis that have no (or very occasional) traffic and do not respond to messages
- I have mixed feelings about this one, I think on one hand we want wikis to flourish (so I would not to put a wiki on this tour, even if it had very occasional traffic ''hey, can we add your wiki to the GHOST-TOWN-TOUR ;-), but on the other hand, they have not consented to be a part of the tour (the no traffic folks). -- md
- I'm hoping the tour would serve to revitalize some dying wikis (or wikis that never took off). Many of the other language Wikipedias fall into this category. On the other hand, there are things like the NuPedia Chalkboard, which was a failed experiment of the NuPedia project, that are just historically interesting.
- PRIVATE-WIKI-LABYRINTH
- potential participants:
- any bus stop should connect to 3-7 other private wikis. No route numbers are used.
- PRIVATE WIKI means: - This hasn't been discussed until now. I also think, they should be at least readable by the public. -- HelmutLeitner
- I agree, they have to be public in the content sense, as they will not be editable. But, what about a single stop for totally private wikis. Like my TradeUnion?'s Wiki. I think it would be cool to see who is using them privately. -- MarkDilley
- So this is the description i'm starting to hear: wikis that are readable but not editable by the public; and totally private wikis that have one public bus stop, to let people know what they're up to. Is that it? --JohnAbbe
- should we separate these into READ ONLY (Corporate) WIKI TOUR and PRIVATE WIKI TOUR - these tours would be actual tours, as WikiNature? is kept at bay. (althought the READ ONLY would be access to an actual wiki, while the PRIVATE wiki tour would be x pages and that is it.)
- NEW-WIKI-TOUR
- potential participants: ...
- for any wiki younger than about 3-6 months that has no other connection
- one large wiki on the GRAND-WIKI-COMMUNITY-TOUR (perhaps MeatballWiki?) as connection point.
- I have mixed feelings about this one as well, so we would have to be constantly updating this one, when the wikis grew up? -- md
- ANIMAL-KEEPERS-TOUR
- potential participants: EekmaWiki?, ...
- TOYS-TOUR
- potential participants: LegoWiki?, ...
Discussion
We already have WikiPedia and KnowHowWiki as candidates - is there possibly enough meat for a KNOWLEDGE-GATHERING-TOUR out there? (Perhaps the IaWiki could be a connection point.)-- ip
- I think WikiPedia is planning a tour for its wikis. Look at their TBS. I hope that Stephen will design it as an open tour (ENCYCLOPEDIA-TOUR) that other similar projects may join. -- hl
- I believe Kurt started the planning the multi-lingual WikiPedia tour, but I'm not sure. I'm all for a general encyclopedia/wiki tour as opposed to a WikiPedia-specific one, especially since the Spanish Wikipedia forked and is now not under the name "WikiPedia". --StephenGilbert
- Isn't ENCYCLOPEDIA-TOUR a too specific name? I don't think that it matches the intent of the KnowHowWiki very well, for example... -- ip
- I was thinking of an OPEN-CONTENT-TOUR myself. KnowHowWiki is under the GNU FDL, isn't it Seb? --StephenGilbert
- Yes it is. I think OPEN-CONTENT-TOUR is a mightily good idea. Adding SimpleScienceWiki would make three. Anyone know other explicitly GFDL/public domain wikis? --SebPaquet
- would the math wiki [15]; the SquirelMail? project [16]; openwiki [17] -- fit into this category? -- md
French tours
Currently more than 100 wikis in [WikiIndex:CategoryFrench] are in French, currently about 107 . Think it could make sense to begin a LangueFrançaise Tour ? As for numbering, I'd suggest 24 (for a small "balade", a LangueFrançaise Petit Tour) if there's no objection ? -- ChristopheDucamp
Literary tour?
I suggest a Literary tour: TolkienWiki, BookShelved, YesterdayYesterday?... any others out there?
As for numbering your tour, #1xx is generally reserved for wiki engines, but pick any number that you think would be a good number for the tour! Best, MarkDilley
Suggestion
- start time: Aug 13, 2004 8:30 CET
- end time: Aug 15, 2004 8:30 CET (increase if needed)
I suggest to add HTMLWiki to the GERMAN-COMMUNITY-TOUR after LugWiki?.
Please add your suggestions. I'll act according to the majority as soon as possible after "end time". -- HelmutLeitner
Done. Aug 15, 2004 8:45 CET.
Suggestion
- start time: Aug 19, 2004 14:00 CET
- end time: Aug 21, 2004 14:00 CET (increase if needed)
I suggest to add HTMLWiki to the SOFTWARE-DEVELOPER-TOUR after CSSWiki.
Please add your suggestions. I'll act according to the majority as soon as possible after "end time". -- HelmutLeitner
Suggestion
- start time: Oct 11, 2004 17:20 CET
- end time: Oct 13, 2004 17:20 CET (increase if needed)
I suggest to add TuxFutter? to the GERMAN-COMMUNITY-TOUR after LugWiki?.
Please add your suggestions. I'll act according to the majority as soon as possible after "end time". -- HelmutLeitner
Done. Oct 14, 2004 18:00 -- HelmutLeitner
- Thanks, Helmut :) mail to our authors is out (for motivation). Now let's go on a trip :) -- Hauke
Suggestion
- start time: Oct 13, 2004 01:10 CET
- end time: Oct 15, 2004 01:10 CET (increase if needed)
I'd like to add the [VeganWiki] to the GERMAN-COMMUNITY-TOUR after GründerWiki. Please add your suggestions or questions. I'll act according to the majority as soon as possible after "end time". -- [Tim]
- Tim, an alternative place to put VeganWiki might be after CoForum. I think both wikis are near each other in sharing this "alternative" feeling. -- HelmutLeitner
- I also thought about that. I'd agree to that, no question, but perhaps it even would be better to somehow "break" the computer-orientated agglomeration on the route and invite people to join with more "life-orientated" topics. What do you think? -- Tim
- I'd prefer to leave the decision to you. I just wanted to make sure that you didn't chose the tail position because of politeness alone and offer an alternative. -- HelmutLeitner
- Okay... I'll pass that decision to our authors :) Best regards, -- Tim
Done. October 18, 2004 -- Tim.
Suggestion
- start time: Nov 14, 2004 17:40 CET
- end time: Nov 16, 2004 17:40 CET (increase if needed)
I suggest to add HerzKinderWiki to the GERMAN-COMMUNITY-TOUR either
Please add your suggestions. I'll act according to the majority as soon as possible after "end time". -- HelmutLeitner
Done. Nov 16, 2004 20:50 -- HelmutLeitner
Suggestion
- start time: Dec 14, 2004 8:30 CET
- end time: Dec 16, 2004 8:30 CET (increase if needed)
I suggest to add DaynotesForum
- to the GRAND-WIKI-COMMUNITY-TOUR
- to the WIKI-DEVELOPERS-TOUR
- to the INTERNATIONAL-WIKI-TOUR
Please add your suggestions. I'll act according to the majority as soon as possible after "end time". -- HelmutLeitner
Done. Dec 16, 2004 21:35 -- HelmutLeitner
Suggestion
- start time: Feb 6, 2005 11:10 CET
- end time: Feb 8, 2005 11:10 CET (increase if needed)
I suggest to add MemoryAlpha
- to the GERMAN-COMMUNITY-TOUR
Please add your suggestions. I'll act according to the majority as soon as possible after "end time". -- HelmutLeitner
Done. Feb 9, 2005 20:35 -- HelmutLeitner
How does this work?
As far as I can see there are very few wikis on the very few bus routes that have been implemented in TourBusMap. There are many uggestions on this page, yet most haven't yet made it trough. Why? Any reason why I shouldn't just add a new wiki to a route? Any reason why I shouldn't create a new route and choose some arbitrary route number? -- sgbailey@iee.org
There are different reasons why wikis have not been joined. Sometimes there was no fitting route, sometimes the wiki was just created and had neither a community nor interesting content (no reason for a stop), often there was no TourBusStop page created (lacking preparations), sometimes owners didn't come back to answer requests or to care. Do you want to tell us about your wiki project and yourself? It would help you to create a homepage here and let us know what you are doing. What route do you want to create? -- HelmutLeitner
KnowHowWiki
Appears to me to be broken. I click on the link to its Busstop (route 66) from meatball and I get a "you do not have permission to access this page message." Can you fix it? -- sgbailey@iee.org
Thank you for the information. The only fix is to remove it. -- HelmutLeitner
Suggestion
- start time: Apr 20, 2005 19:00 CET
- end time: Apr 22, 2005 19:00 CET (increase if needed)
BeatDoebeli has prepared a complete German "Wiki in der Schule" (Wiki at school) route:
I suggest to activate it as #31.
Please add your suggestions. I'll act according to the majority as soon as possible after "end time". -- HelmutLeitner
- Thanks for proposing this. I vote for it (what a surprise...;-) -- BeatDoebeli
done. Apr 23, 2005 -- BeatDoebeli
I added StadtwikiKarlsruhe to WikisInNeedForBusConnections and understood from HowToForTourBusConnections that this should result in any kind of response within approx. 2 days. Now moe than 2 weeks are gone by, obviously I missed something. Can someone please give me a hint?
I'm sorry, I missed that entry. Thank you for reminding. -- HelmutLeitner
Suggestion
- start time: Jul 19, 2005 12:30 CET
- end time: Jul 21, 2005 12:30 CET (increase if needed)
I suggest to add StadtwikiKarlsruhe to the Germany Community Tour. Positions
Please add your suggestions. I'll act according to the majority as soon as possible after "end time". -- HelmutLeitner
done. Jul 22, 2005 22:50 CET.
Suggestion
- start time: Jul 19, 2005 12:30 CET
- end time: Jul 21, 2005 12:30 CET (increase if needed)
I suggest to add StadtwikiKarlsruhe to the Tourism & Travel Community Tour. Positions:
Please add your suggestions. I'll act according to the majority as soon as possible after "end time". -- HelmutLeitner
Suggestion
I suggest to add PenguPedia to GERMAN-COMMUNITY-TOUR after Tuxfutter. [-- Tom Mettner]
Okay "start time" was some time ago. Who sets "end time"? [-- Tom Mettner]
What about a MediaWiki tour? It would have WikiPedia, MemoryAlpha, TMBW, and HomestarRunnerWiki among others.
- Sounds great! How about suggesting a route number and contacting/setting up BusStops?. Would you be the driver? --Best, MarkDilley
- I guess I'll do it. <strike>What about the curent MediaWiki version number for the route number? That would be 153 for version 1.5.3.</strike> --SeanFennel
- I see now that the WikiEngine tours are just numbered sequentially. So, I'm changing it to 108. --SeanFennel
Suggestion
- start time: Jan 3, 2006 23:35 CST
- end time: Jan 5, 2006 23:35 CST (increase if needed)
I suggest to add HomestarRunnerWiki to the ECLECTIC-WIKI-TOUR.
- Whoah, guess I should probably mention that I added it Jan 6, 2006 about 00:10 CST. --SeanFennel
Suggestion
- start time: Feb 6, 2006 22:47 UTC
- end time: Feb 8, 2006 22:47 UTC (increase if needed)
I've proposed and gotten 5 wikis on board for MEDIAWIKI-TOUR. The exact layout of it is somewhere near the middle of the page.
I suggest to activate it as #108 (#105 if the other WikiEngine tours above aren't going anywhere for a while.)
Please add your suggestions. I'll act according to the majority as soon as possible after "end time". --SeanFennel
- Guess it's been a while. I'll take it by the silence that I've got approval to go ahead. --SeanFennel
Suggestion
I suggest that WikiIndex be added to the MediaWiki tour. If Sean would like that I will add a TourBusStop to the site. oh heck, I may do that anyway.
Best, MarkDilley
It'll go in once I poke around it enough to be able to decide where to put it in. --SeanFennel
- How about between WikiPedia and MemoryAlpha? --SeanFennel
- I'm going to hold off adding it in until the stop is finished (meaning it discusses WikiIndex instead of HomestarRunnerWiki). BTW, there's a way to change the main page to something other than the default "Main_Page" in MediaWiki. I'd have to look it up on MediaWikiMeta?, but if you want to do it, I will. --SeanFennel
- I'm going to put it in right there. Let me know if you'd rather have it somewhere else. --SeanFennel
Suggestion
- start time: Apr 19, 2006 10:00 CET
- end time: Apr 21, 2006 10:00 CET
I suggest to add the German OpenOfficeWiki to
Please add your comments or suggestions or extend the end time if there is a need. I'll act according to the majority as soon as possible after the end time. -- HelmutLeitner
- I think in the German Community Tour, LinuxWiki and the wiki of the Linux User Group (Lug) should remain directly connected, hence OpenOfficeWiki should be inserted before LinuxWiki or after LugKr wiki. In the MoinMoin Tour, I would prefer to put the OpenOfficeWiki before, not after the PythonWiki, thus connecting it with the german JuraWiki, or to put it between LinuxWiki and JuraWiki, as OOo is very commonly used for academic work. (Or did you mean the german PythonWiki at the very end of the MoinMoin tour?) Thanks. -- MartinBayer?
Mattin, I followed your suggestions.
Done. Apr 23, 2006 8:30 CET-- HelmutLeitner
Suggestion
- start time: Mai 29, 2006 12:30 CET
- end time: Jun 31, 2006 12:30 CET
I suggest to add ProWikiCenter to
Please add your comments or suggestions or extend the end time if there is a need. I'll act according to the majority as soon as possible after the end time. -- HelmutLeitner
done. Jun 01, 2006 14:30 CET
Suggestion
I suggest to add ProWikiCentre to
Suggestion
- start time: Oct 14, 2006 10:30 CET
- end time: Oct 16, 2006 10:30 CET
I suggest to add ZumWiki at the end if #31 (German "Wiki at school")
Please add your comments or suggestions or extend the end time if there is a need. I'll act according to the majority as soon as possible after the end time. -- HelmutLeitner
done. Oct 16, 2006 12:10 CET -- HelmutLeitner
Suggestion
- start time: Nov 22, 2006 9:40 UTC
- end time: Nov 24, 2006 9:40 UTC
Add PlasticsWiki to MediaWiki Tour after HomestarRunnerWiki.
Do I really need to type the rest of it? I think y'all know the drill. --SeanFennel
Done November 25, 2006 22:00 UTC --SeanFennel
Suggestion
- start time: April 7, 2008 16:15 CET
- end time: April 7, 2008 16:15 CET (increase if needed)
I suggest to add StadtwikiPforzheim? (www.pfenz.de) to the Germany Community Tour. Positions --Cornelius Wasmund
Feel free to add yourself at the appropriate places. --ThomasWaldmann April 9, 2008
TourBusMap
What about a map as concept map like this one? This would allow the users to plan their own tours on the fly.
One could even think of innovative wikis, containing (only) concept maps, where each "page" is a view to some sub graph of Wiki Topics (which take over the role of wiki pages) . -- FridemarPache
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