On a related note, I think it would be an interesting project for Meatball to acquire control of the OpenDirectoryProject wiki category and then use something like FileReplacement to make it community edited. -- SunirShah
that's a good idea. should we all apply, or should we select someone with a good chance of getting it? (i'd rather not apply myself as i have my hands full right now). -- BayleShanks
(December 9, 2002) I've asked both category editors, FlorianKonnertz and UseMod:AdamBrate, about maintaining the category here via our FileReplacement mechanism, and they both have been supportive. Now we have the technical challenge of doing it. I don't know if it would be better if I applied to be an editor or not. It might be easier to maintain the code, but I don't really have much desire to take "control" of the category. -- SunirShah
Hi Sunir, any news from your DMoZ idea? Do you mean (take control), you want to become an editor additionally to us to make it happen? Is there a page where it is explained futher? - FlorianKonnertz
I haven't tried to apply yet, actually. I don't want to steal anyone's thunder, and I don't really care to be a DMOZ editor. I'd rather just implement something like the PublicallyEditableInterMap and then let whomever wants to take charge take charge. I'm worried though that the technical problems may require a more "involved" role, i.e. I'd have to join the project. Really, I think that I just need to understand how you "edit" a category, Florian, from a technical point of view. -- SunirShah
What do you need to know? I want to help, i like the idea of a PublicallyEditableInterMap. I don't know if i have the required role to do this changes. Have you already contacted the more involved dmoz-people, or shall i do this? -- FlorianKonnertz
Simply put, I need access. I can't code anything without understanding the protocol. -- SunirShah
I gonna contact the responsible people when i can find the time. -- FlorianKonnertz
Well, this went nowhere, so I applied to be an editor of the wiki category and I was subsequently rejected. Perhaps I can ask the community here to give me a hand. Then again, maybe I should first ask DMoZ to have functional servers, goddammit.
Ok then, let's work on your application: SunirsOdpApplication
I'd inhale the WorldWideWiki:OneBigWiki. The point isn't to annhilate or compete with that project, but to subvert DMoZ. "Adam"'s larger goal is to dismantle the wizard system. My goal is to increase the visibility of wikis, and to remand control of anything wiki to the wiki community.
I noticed something disturbing yesterday. It seems that Florian and Adam are no longer editors of the [wiki category]. Also, Adam used to edit the [open content encyclopedias category], which is also without an editor now. Can anyone confirm if they've been dumped? -- StephenGilbert
Upon further investigation, it seems Adam's [profile page] still lists him as editor of both categories, even though the categories themselves do not. Odd. -- StephenGilbert
well, maybe eventually we should fork ODP and make a wikified version. Not a project I have time for now, though. -- BayleShanks
After reading about the headache called OPD, my sentiments exactly. Why can't WorldWideWiki:OneBigWiki suffice? In other words, what is it exactly that makes a wiki for wikis problematic? -- MarkDilley
I think WorldWideWiki:OneBigWiki will certainly suffice. -- BayleShanks
The main point of the project is to inject some SoftSecurity into the ODP, using the wiki category as an entry point, not to correct "problems" with the OneBigWiki idea. However, it seems Adam and Florian have been dumped from the ODP because of their association with this effort. Unless we intend to be dishonest, it may be impossible to get this past the ODP GodKings. -- StephenGilbert
I agree. Given that the ODP likely sees this as a hostile act, despite our good intentions, I think we should put our efforts into other projects. OneBigWiki is more important than the dmoz wiki category. -- StephenGilbert
Um, given that wiki and the ODP have different styles and mechanisms, I don't think making them act the same way is possible... or preferable. --anon.
Agreed. What makes you think that anyone was trying to do that? -- StephenGilbert